2007 PAYOUTS [Archive] - Splash Dogs Message Board

Chase

03-27-2007, 12:55 PM

Regarding the idea of payouts, I have a couple of comments. First of all, I want to say that Chase and I were recipients of a payout in Pomona a couple of years ago, so I have a little experience on both sides of this topic.

Given that, I do not think payouts are important. I may be in the minority on this one, but I find it rather disapointing to hear that some people would not travel to an event because there is no payout available. I thought we were all going to these events to "HAVE FUN". Is that not the number one rule of Splashdogs? Greg says it before we start every single wave.

I could understand the desire for payouts if Slashdogs was some large corporation with substantial and big money sponsors (Petco, Petsmart, Purina, etc) such that there was a HUGE influx of funds avaiable to distribute. But, that is not the case and we all know that that is not the case. So, given that Tony does not have huge sums of money pouring in from sponsors, I would much rather Tony gets ALL the money so he will be able to financially continue to keep Splashdogs in business and continue to come to my area (Southern California). Keep in mind that Tony and Greg and JR and Randy etc etc etc all come to these events and work them all day long for many consecutive days. I seriuosly doubt that they are all being paid large salaries for their work.

In addition, since the payouts are usually only for the top 3 pro (and possibly amateur), that leaves out the 90% or more of the people who put out the time and money to drive to events, lug all their stuff to the pool, pay their fees for their waves, help out and wrangle all day, and are a HUGE reason why there is such a positive and fun experience for the audience (who's attendance helps pay Tony). These unpaid masses of dogs and owners all seem to travel to events without any enticement of a payout at all. Are you saying that these people and their dogs are unimportant or just the side show?

I would hate to see the top jumpers stop coming to events. But, the reality is that if they do cease to come, there will still be plenty of other dogs there to entertain the crowd and have fun. On the other hand, if only the top jumpers came to an event and everyone else stayed home, then Splashdogs would go out of business in a few weeks and then no one would get to jump.

By the way, the next time you go to an event, look which dogs are entertaining the crowd all day. They are not the top dogs. As a matter of fact, very often the top dogs are kept in their crates all day long so they can rest up and shine in the finals. It is all the other dogs, the almost big jumpers, the medium jumpers, little jumpers, and the just barely able to fall into the pool jumpers who are out there jumping all day long.

If Tony can find a way to give out prizes to people (that he can get donated form sponsors, such as gift certificates from Petco, Petsmart, Bass Pro Shop online, etc) or maybe even certificates for free waves, then that sounds like fun. But, I personally hope Splashdogs does not turn into some super competitive money driven organization like what Dock Dogs has become. Everything about Splashdogs, from the people to the safety of the dock to the announcing to the overall sense of family is better with Splashdogs.

One final thought. I would much prefer to give any extra funds that Tony can offer to a charity like Wags for Wishes or Lisa's Retriever Rescue group as we did in San Diego, than just to someone who probably does not really need it to survive.

That's my two cents and more. See you all in Orange County and also in Scottsdale in April. Yep, I am traveling and yep, I doubt that Chase and his surgically mended knees will win us any money. But, I know we will HAVE FUN!

And Brian, you and Melissa better be there.

Brooke & Chase

runamuck

03-27-2007, 02:18 PM

Wow Brooke,

I could not have said it better myself! :mrgreen:

To Brian and Bart,
Yes, many of us recently attended 2 DD events and some competitors got payouts at those 2 events. So....now suddenly you are feeling the need for Tony to start giving money prizes to the top winners? Well, yes, we know that Little Gunner is about guaranteed a spot in the top 3 in big air so he would surely win some cash....and surely Stryker and Gunner (BC) and Little Gunner would definitely be in the money for SV....thats great! You should be extreemly proud of yourselves and your pups!

But, to most of us who do not have the top jumping dogs in the country, it kinda SOUNDS LIKE you and the certain few people you <<have talked to a few people hesitant of traveling and attending events with no payouts>> talked to (we all know who you are), want to be guaranteed a payout to travel any distance to future Splashdogs events? :oops: Bad form guys... :roll:

Well, I hate to remind everyone, but this is NOT DD.
Tony does not have big corporate sponsers supporting him in putting on Splashdogs events. No I doubt there will be any cash payouts at any Splashdogs events in the near future.

Tony has brought events to the west for those of us who want to come out and have fun with their dogs. He does not make any money at these events, fact is he loses money big time! He does this because he loves it!

Do you know how much that truck cost? Any idea how much that trailer cost him? Hiring crews to set up and tear down at every event he puts on?
Wear and tear on his rig traveling across the country right now between SRS and Texas? New Tires, Monthly insurance? Hotel rooms? Meals? I would hate to be the one paying his bills :cry:

Ok....if he has no big sponsors, where do you think the money comes from?

Splashdoggers are a family.
Splashdoggers support Tony in any way they can and only expect a fun day with their pups in return.

Dockdoggers....more competitive, payouts, definitely for some lucky ones.
Anyone who got a taste of the DD big bucks the last few events and feels that they can only afford to travel to events if there are payouts involved, should maybe stay home and start saving their travel $$$ now, as the next DD event for payouts will most likely be up in Oregon in July unless they come up with something else between now and then......

Until then, I will certainly got to a DD event locally, WHEN they come around, but myself and my dogs will continue to be Splashdoggers and support Tony by traveling to as many Splashdogs events as I can afford to make it too, because it is Tony and Splash Dogs that gives me events in the west all year long....and my dogs want to play :D

So I say as I do.......if I can't afford to travel to some events due to gas $$, hotel bills etc...then I stay home. If I can make it happen I will...
Heck, it never seems to be an issue in flyball where we only compete for dog toys? Hey, there's an idea :idea:

Tony, how about offering squeeky dog toys to the winners? :lol:

renegade

03-27-2007, 02:43 PM

One other thing to think about with having payouts is the change in perspective it can give competitors. I am very committed to having fun and am NOT in the sport to win money. However, I will say that at the past two dock dogs events, I found it affecting my thinking. In SF I actually didn't bother to drive back for the finals (I did have other plans) because I was in the pro finals and knew Ren would be near the bottom of the group. However, I did acknowledge to myself that if he would have been in the open finals that I would have made more of an effort because I might have had a chance at money. Similarly in Stockton, I was happy Ren jumped 21', however a part of me was disappointed because that put us in the pro finals again. I'm not a person who likes to be thinking about my dog's performance this way! I'm embarrassed that I had those thoughts... However, I did. I think being in it to have fun with your dog and strive to improve should be the focus.

Also, in agility we also only get prizes at the discretion of the club putting on the event and usually it is just a stuffed animal or the best prize I ever got was a ceramic dog bowl.

Stanley

03-27-2007, 02:49 PM

Ditto on keeping Splashdogs alive and out of the red.

If everyone is hungry for $$$ how about starting our own private pool of money and distribute the funds. Ten bucks a dog can add up real quick. To go one step farther the Pro's could start a winner take all pool for the big jumpers. Just an idea but there is more than one way to take home the bacon without draining the Splashdogs pool of funds.

Anybody in on "which dog can stand the longest"!

Sardo

03-27-2007, 03:03 PM

Lisa,

I have NEVER collected a paycheck, probably never will. Those I got from Gunner went back to Urs. She will most likely not be attending this next event so it's not about her getting any money neither. So I don't know why my name is coming up with collecting a couple of paychecks but I tell you what it did feel good handling a top dog. Prizes gives you something to strive for and if you have a big jumping dog than it's well deserved. I know Splashdogs is all about fun but it is a competition, right. If it's just for fun than why measure the jumps and have rankings and placement ribbons. We could have fun without all that. I didn't know this would be such a touchy subject. I was just trying to get some input on the idea. Tony started with payouts in the beginning and he has only gotten bigger so I don't see a difference in it now.

If you want to bring up DD look at UAD. They are all about fun, you can jump your dog the whole weekend for 30 bucks and still have payouts in all divisions.

guzzigirl

03-27-2007, 03:30 PM

The payout game generally affects the same 10-12 players in the game. I am not one of them that would ever get that high up in the money potential. It changes the competition's mindset when payouts for placement enter into the picture.

People smile less when the competition gets that serious. People get really picky about the rules being followed and tend to interprete them in their favor.

I used to chair spring sled dog races back east. $50,000 purses brought teams from 1,000 miles away to compete. Some people just gave me headaches.

I know that money prizes are a necessary evil and I mean no disrespect to anyone seeking this. But my greatest prize was a 5# bag of dog food and squeaky goose. And I was so tickled.

Registration fees will go up if the organizers are forced to hire people to hustle big money sponsors.

It'd be nice if everyone could go home with "something". But I'm at a loss to offer what that something would be, besides a day of great memories.

Karen and Guzzi

MickeyD'sMom

03-27-2007, 03:33 PM

Well Brooke I think you pretty well summed it up. Let see so far MickeyD has brought in a total of $225.00! Jim laughed a couple of weekends ago when he received a Cabela hat and looked at me and said "I love the hat, but it cost me over a $1,000.00. This is not a sport to get rich in. Sometimes I am so busy talking with our Splash Dogs Family that I have even missed MickeyD jumping (well of course that could be because it takes him forever to get off the dock!!! :lol: ) Also I have put on a few events for Tony and I know what it takes and I know what he takes in. I can remember when we did the very first event for our dog "Cash". Tony had never done a "stand alone" event before. He asked for nothing and all of the proceeds went to build our dog park here in Auburn. That's the kind of guy he is! I know for Jim & I we just love our extended family and thats what it's all about folks. :wink:

Sassy Girl

03-27-2007, 03:58 PM

Whether it is decided to give or not to give a payout will not stop me from going to Splash Dog events, I love the SD family. But here are some of my own thoughts....bash me if you wish, am on pain meds today, so am numb to them all, lol....To those soooo opposed to payouts, was Tony wrong in offering pay outs prior to last year? Since this is only for fun, why bother w/ribbons and placements? Rankings? Why?

1. I don't feel every event needs to be a payout. Events such as the National Championship definately need more than a ribbon and larger attended events would also benefit from it.

2. This is not just a recent thing due to the couple of DD's events, I've heard comments from many Splash Doggers as far back as last July saying they would like to see payouts for events. So, let's not point fingers at the few who are voicing opinions, whether you agree w/them or not.

This is a business and its a growing business, with it's growth it will have to compete with the other organizations in all areas. I dont see anything wrong w/prizes being reconsidered, whether it is money or some other type of item.

Not every event has to have a larger prize other than a ribbon, but higher level events should draw in something a little more than a ribbon. By the way, why do so many other dog sports give large prize money for higher end events? hmmmm???? In our discussion on prize money here we are not talking about anything near what AKC Agility would give or confirmation.

I would also like to point out, last year at the Mel Cottons event, people were thrilled w/ the prizes. They were given ribbons, dog food, dog treats and Mel Cotton's gift certificates that were given to the top 4 dogs. I got so many positive comments from the competitors about the prizes than any other event.

There are several sides and comments in this area. Tony has brought this sport to us in our own backyards, however there are different levels to deal with, with growth comes trying to find a compromise that will make everyone happy. Discussion is the only way to find that.

runamuck

03-27-2007, 04:01 PM

Sorry Bart if anything I said seemed like an attack.....

No attacking here, just a reality check about Payouts and Splashdogs....

I say we go down Craigs and Stanleys road, and look at some alternative ideas on how to get competitors involved in payout ideas.....

Tony and Randy have been on the road and tossing around some ideas on some additional competitions that could be held with some sort of payouts....

I'm sure he will post some ideas later when he is not traveling....

Seriously though, any other ideas?

BTW....UAD no doubt has some pretty nice sposors that put up money for their events....hence, they can offer payouts at those certain events.

renegade

03-27-2007, 04:07 PM

I'd be interested in hearing more about what other dog sports do about prizes/payouts.

For agility - as I said earlier, we frequently just get ribbons, sometimes stuffed animals, occasionally something as nice as a dog bowl...

AKC Agility nationals is being held right now and I just checked the "prize" listings and the overall winners in each jump height get $700 in gift certificates (Not cash) and a magazine subscription. There are some other random prizes that do include $250 in cash for winners of a round. However, this is the only AKC agility event (other than maybe the invitational) that I've heard of anything beyond a $1-$5 prize.

What about flyball, disc dog, carting, hunt trials, earth dog, etc?

By the way, I definitely agree with urs on the prizes at mel cottons. Maybe we need to get someone to volunteer for each event to help contact potential sponsors for donations for prizes.

Sassy Girl

03-27-2007, 04:16 PM

Sponsorship is the way to go on payouts and prizes, looks like this is an area that needs some attention. Maybe Tony could find someone w/a great sales background who could influence some sponsorships.

daftershock

03-27-2007, 04:16 PM

OK ~

I will go in-front of the gun!

I do have a AWESOME EV/SV/SUPER V dog. But 9 time out of 10 I am jumping my Staffordshire Bull Terrier that does not even make it into finals.

I think prizes are fun. I have a few flyball tourney that I do enjoy going to..... Just because they give cool prizes. Or maybe I know they have a cool RAFFLE! hmmmm still giving money to that team that is putting on the tourney. But getting something fun from it too. hmmmmmm Lisa Urs you all remember Raffles.

Money is nice... Gift cert, and dog toy are even nicer. If we care (splashdogger) I have told Tony time and time again we need to give cool prizes. It's not saying $$$$.

Come on ~ suggestion should always be welcomed. I dont care if you all hate me. I will still show up and play. :shock:

I am all for the RAFFLE!!! at least I will have luck of the raffle.

Sardo

03-27-2007, 04:26 PM

daftershock

03-27-2007, 04:35 PM

I am just making this post because it is my 100th post... yeah to me!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)

Sassy Girl

03-27-2007, 04:38 PM

Instead of bashing anyone, let's do some constructive discussion.

There are so many dog product companies out there that could donate products as prizes. Most are more than willing to give out product, than to give money out to companies as sponsorships. It's much better advertisement for them.

FlyingSquirrel

03-27-2007, 04:48 PM

Interesting topic and very timely! Here are a few random thoughts on the subject;

I have mixed feelings about payouts. I *do* understand that SplashDogs is somewhat of a grassroots organization and Tony is not making money on the deal. People want to have fun with their dogs and all that. However....

Training and competing in MULTIPLE venues with multiple dogs, I have to limit where I spend my money. Dock Diving - whether it is Dock Dogs or Splash Dogs is EXPENSIVE!!! Twenty bucks for two jumps and only one of them "counts." Wendy's doing a great job with the rankings, but I could very well spend the money on agility and work towards the USDAA Championships or the AKC Invitational. I'm hoping to do both again this year. I also plan to trial in Schutzhund. Expensive sport to train and trial. So why should I spend my money on dock diving? And if I do spend my money, why should I choose to spend it with Splash Dogs over Dock Dogs?

Reality is that each of us finds reward in what we do or we wouldn't be doing it. I LOVE when my dogs do well and are able to finish at the top and beat the competition no matter the sport. I also appreciate when a good performance beats us and hopefully can show the good graces to congratulate and be happy for those other competitors. For me, prizes are still really COOL! Whether it is money or gift certificates or toys, it motivates me to try harder because we *might* get one of those silly things. Even the Cabela's hats for the top 12, "Yeah, we got a prize!" I have never come out ahead of the game when playing dog sports, but it is nice when a monetary prize can help offset gas money for a long distance show.

IMO, Splash Dogs really needs to strive for identity within the sport to attract new competitors. It should also be a goal of Splash Dogs to pursue sponsorship. The organization will never stay in the black by relying on entry fees. If it means certain events are "sponsored by" so-and-so and the prizes are gift certificates from that sponsor, everyone wins. The sponsor gets publicity from the competitors, the spectators and often the local news. The participants receive goodies for their efforts. Splash Dogs gets subsidized to put on a show and looks like a successful organization. People want to be a part of success. It's a win-win.

Another thought regarding entry fees and participation is to have a graduated cost. Possibly a reduced amount for a second dog, additional waves or even a package amount to compete in all waves. Until there are consistenly FULL waves, it could potentially bring more monies into the organization.

I don't think having fun with your dogs and striving to win are mutually exclusive. I think it *can* make people think differently about their performance, but it could possibly have a positive impact with some people striving to showcase the best of their dog's talents. For those who don't care about winning, it shouldn't make any difference.

Kim & Emmy
& Oscar & Harold...

MickeyD'sMom

03-27-2007, 04:58 PM

Thanks Brian for starting this thread! It's really nice to see the activity on the board and I am confident that there will be a positive resolution. :wink:

Sassy Girl

03-27-2007, 05:04 PM

Brian - aaah - thanks for saying Gunn was a top dog...he sure didn't look like it a few months ago, but you two looked so awesome on the dock this weekend! :D He's on his way back!!!!

need2getalife

03-27-2007, 05:07 PM

Please everyone keep open minded..

Do you know of some one that would supply $ for events.

Believe me it is very diificult to come by. I have personally tried in many areas from Ariz to Northern Ca to Reno.

Not much luck.

As the economy tightens up it could be more difficult.

Keep it going 8)

Sassy Girl

03-27-2007, 05:11 PM

I don't think money should be the first topic when approaching a sponsor, I know from my own sponsors that this was a turn off. They said SD had approached them for money and they ended the talks at that, you have to start w/product sponsorships before engaging in money talking as the relationship grows then you hit the money topic.

Sardo

03-27-2007, 05:19 PM

Brian - aaah - thanks for saying Gunn was a top dog...he sure didn't look like it a few months ago, but you two looked so awesome on the dock this weekend! :D He's on his way back!!!!

You know he is a top dog, he was just going through a rough time and now he is back and will be jumping bigger and bigger at every event, as long as I am the handler!!!LOL :D

Sassy Girl

03-27-2007, 06:04 PM

You'll be the handler for a while longer! You know that! You two just look great together! WooHoo!

Sardo

03-27-2007, 06:06 PM

Have you seen Gunner's big jump on jumpincentral?

Sassy Girl

03-27-2007, 06:14 PM

damn dog wasn't even looking at the bumper! can you imagine when he does! Way to go Brian!

Chase

03-27-2007, 06:46 PM

First of all. Brian, I knew when you brought up the topic of payouts that you were not referring to yourself. You are NOT one of the people who is in it for the money. In fact I would go so far as to say that you are one of the ones who is the least selfish of all the Splashdoggers. I have personally been on the receiving end a number of times of your generosity and kindness to both Chase and myself, which as you and everyone else knows has meant a great deal to me. You are one of the big reason I enjoy Splashdogs so much. And you know that.

I agree that having the measurements is an important part of Splashdogs. But not because it allows me to BEAT someone else but rather to better my fun bonding experience with my own dog. It lets me evaluate our performance and figure out ways to get better. And yes, it is a blast when he sets a new personal best.

In my professional life I am very competitive. So, for me, and I believe many others, Splashdogs is an opportubity to just enjoy the day for what it is. Would I love to win the top spot someday? Yes. Will I? No. But, that will never stop me from coming to an event.

And lastly, I would just suggest that as we discuss this topic, we all remember that in the last two years, we have already lost three Splashdog dogs to cancer and one is fitting it as we speak. As an owner of a dog who had major surgery twice, I feel exceedingly fortunate that I am not in their position and I still have Chase here with me. Splashdogs is my chance be spend more time with him, something I am sure these other unfortunate owners wish they had.

Brooke & Chase

legallyblonde

03-27-2007, 06:57 PM

I just wanted to make a correction here, UAD has not had payouts this year either, to my knowledge. In fact, most of the UAD events thus far have been free. So no payouts and no medals, just keeping track of scores and titles and rankings. Some people might miss the medals, but in exchange for that they are jumping for free all weekend where they could have been spending a lot of money. The Purina rounds have been different, with a $50 entry fee and I believe 50 or 75% of that going to the winner to help with travel expenses to Wichita.

Docker Mom

03-27-2007, 07:07 PM

Hi

well, I'll keep it short since Brooke, LIsa & Wendy pretty much said everything that is on my mind. Having fun with our extended family should be the main reason for this sport. I'll never have a dog that makes it to the top but I really enjoy having all the divisions broken down in the finals so even Dunkin can "win" in his Splash division, something DD does not have. In my mind, that's a 'free' wave at the end of the weekend.
Also, Tony does give us a deal for the second dog at each wave and I think that should count for something since alot of us have more than one dog we are jumping. For prizes, maybe we all should look for sponsors in our area when Tony is down. Perhaps a toy for first place, which is what one gets at some agility trials. I enjoyed the raffle in San Diego with the tennis balls all thrown in the pool but I don't know what the expense of that would cost. I still get excited when we get a ribbon(yeah, sad but true :oops: ) and that is a 'prize'.
I have read all the posts and I think as a family we can continue to keep it positive and come up with solutions that we all like AND Tony can still make money at this so he will continue to head up and down the coast for our 'passion' to watch our dogs fly cuz I, for one, want him down here more, not less :lol: :lol:

And, yes, I will be travelling to Scottsdale for the Splash Dogs Petfest event the weekend after the Pet Expo so $$$ would come in handy for me but I'm going to "HAVE FUN" with my family so hope to see you all there :lol: 8) :lol:

Marilyn, Phoebe & Dunkin

Team Chloe

03-27-2007, 10:02 PM

Good evening....The heart started beating again on this board. :D I have met all of you on this board excepting legally blonde! All I can say is all are quality, animal loving, fun loving, competitive people. And I have really enjoyed getting to know each and everyone of you and look forward to many more encounters in the future. Everyone here has been supportive and have offered training, suggestions and answers to any questions I have had about the sport and those involved.

I don't believe that money or prizes are the focus of any of us. Do I love being competitive? Absolutely. Do I get a thrill of seeing my abilities and my pups abilities improve? Absolutely. Is it fun being in the Pro Finals? Absolutely. Being at the bottom of the Pros means not much chance winning any money....could I win money someday? Maybe? It would probably make Cera the happiest cause I would probably donate it back to the fund.

As far as the different organizations, since I am a newbie, there are differences. So what? They are run by different folks in different manners. I like facets of each. Now as far as Tony and Splash. I hope he is making money with this venture. Be it from sponsers, venue fees, wave fees or other sources of Revenue. Only if it is financially successful will it thrive. Exposure, Advertising, More Events, Dog and Handler support, Media etc...etc is needed to help it thrive. I believe everyone that has responded on this board will do what they can to help support Splash.

A very wise man told me that there are political differences among the different organizations and that he has personal preferences. However, he said that I needed to go out and participate with all organizations, support the sport and make my own decisions as to which organizations I enjoy without anyone elses preferences. So far I have taken his advice and have not been dissapointed in any of the events I have entered.

I do appreicate everyones opinions....and everyones hard work within the organizations and will do what I can to support all of them. Now....the big question would be, if both were holding events in the same region, which one would I pick.....I would choose where the majority of the folks on this board are attending....because at the end of the day....it is you folks that I want to be around!! Awesome people!!!

BOcephus

03-28-2007, 01:55 AM

Hello all,
First of all
Now....the big question would be, if both were holding events in the same region, which one would I pick.....I would choose where the majority of the folks on this board are attending....because at the end of the day....it is you folks that I want to be around!! Awesome people!!!
Right on Dave!!
It was an awesome time at that recent event. All that I knew there and met seemed to be SPLASHDOGGERS!! So my pups didn't care that it was someone else hosting it, and neither did I. They only care about having fun. Though they get upset at me at times. Can you believe they told me that I embarrass them at times? I will admit one thing. When I was told there was $$ for finishing 1st in the cadet EV I got a little excited, but when I went to the trailor and said "BO wants to give his winnings to the K-9 cancer fund"and Robyn stated there was no money. I felt a little bad, mostly because we wanted to give it away and then could not. All that dissappeared when the speed record was broke and we gave away $40 for the 35mph record.
I would think different of SplashDogs if it got to the level the other larger group did. You see, I started doing a few small events up here in the NW. and only do them so people can enjoy a weekend or day with their best buddies. Tony allows me to post on here about an event I am going to have. The other would try and sue me again. Splashdoggers have traveled all the way up here just to help me out, and for what? I did not pay them, they did it because of who they are and what they represent. I feel hatred from ******** because I put on little fun events. I do not wish to compete with them. There is no events up here so why not let people enjoy a lighter version. Money smuney I think the most I have ever made from one of the five events I have done is a loss of about $1800 not including missed work or family time. I don't do it for money or glory, Doesn't matter if only one person shows up as long as that one person can say they had a wonderful time then PAYMENT is in full!!
I spend days getting local gifts from dinners, Fishing Rods, Truck Bed liners, so that some may get a little something. I believe the top prize last time was a Olive Garden gift cert.
Personally I hope Tony does not change a thing. If he gets a nice sponsor that allows for a payout than I am sure he will give it out!
I would hate to lose everyone here because I started a little club called NW AirDogs. That's what happened at********. See what happens if you post about a UAD,SplashDogs,Jumpin Central,SRS,NWAirDogs or any other event on their board? Then do the same on the others. Tell me if you notice a difference. Who else is like that? IF THAT IS WHAT PAY-OUTS LEAD TO THEN I DO NOT WANT THEM.
I will not stop bringing a little fun here locally. And I in no way think that my little fun times in anyway takes away from someone elses pockets. If anything it brings more to them!!
I respect Tony for the fact that he allows me to inform his friends & viewers about events up here in the NW. And I will be sending him contact numbers so SplashDogs can play up here!!
Though my actions at times seem to be way out in left field it is just me, harmless, and having fun. My Boys and I love and respect all of you we have met and definately look forward to doing it again real soon!!!!

On the payouts..............................If it's in the budget then spread it out!!!

mhstuart

03-28-2007, 08:04 AM

Personally, the last thing I think of going to an event is getting a payout. I can't recall how many prize checks we earned over the years and though they are nice to receive, I honestly don't remember where the money went.

I do vividly remember being on the dock with Sandra, Brooke, Linda, looking at the computer to work on Chief's takeoff position, having margaritas with Rob, watching Haley kick ass, losing my mind at our first event when the goofy kid and his messed up pooch from California made the finals in SRS 2003(just a VERY few memories of the last 4 years). This is why we jump--and to promote rescue.

We all have our resons and if money is one of them, that is ok. No one is going to make significant lifechanging money in this sport.

Splashdogs is a business. Tony would not be here if his heart was not overflowing (neither would Randy for that matter), because his pockets certainly are not. He lost money at Wags last year, and probably will again this year.

I believe we all in debt to Tony for letting us express joy with our dogs and eachother in a way that most will never understand.

Until Splashdogs is in a position as a business to support prize money for the competitors I personally will be getting richer for the experiences I share with all of you.

Sincerely,

Linda Hettich

03-28-2007, 08:25 AM

And lastly, I would just suggest that as we discuss this topic, we all remember that in the last two years, we have already lost three Splashdog dogs to cancer and one is fitting it as we speak. As an owner of a dog who had major surgery twice, I feel exceedingly fortunate that I am not in their position and I still have Chase here with me. Splashdogs is my chance be spend more time with him, something I am sure these other unfortunate owners wish they had.

Okay, you all know I couldn't let this one go. When Kadin got diagnosed with prostate cancer, the first thing Randy and I did was decide to take him to as many jumps as we could, as long as he could physically manage it. And even then, with cancer riddled throughout his body, we took him to the DD event in San Francisco, knowing it would be his last. He was really going downhill, but once he saw the dock, his eyes lit up again. By some miracle, he made the amateur finals and finished last. But, that 12th place ribbon means the world to me. You can take anything you want from me . . . my house, my car, my stuff . . . but don't take that ribbon. If you do, you take away the best part of my soul.

So, I don't do it for the money.

But, that being said, I appreciate Brian bringing up this thread. I like hearing what everyone thinks because I respect every one of you. If not having a payout means it'll give Tony a chance to put on more events, then I'm all for it. I wish Kadin had more than three events to go to.

Likewise, I understand the traveling expenses involved, and hey, it IS nice to win a little something. Tony knows I will support him in whatever he decides to do, and I support all of you wherever you stand as well.

Buster's Pit Crew

03-28-2007, 05:59 PM

Buster has never been in the "Pro" top 4, but he has placed just above, and just below the top of the "Amatuer" finals. If you happen to have the 12th best jump of the day, no prize money, but if you happen to be 13th, and then place in the top 4 of that group, you get prize money. After the top 4 dogs, any other prizes are just like door prizes. There is a lot of randomness in the process.

In the end, the money doesn't really matter. What really matters is Linda's pride in Kadin's 12th place ribbon, Dave and Erin's smiles while clocking dogs for Speeding tickets, Ursula's loud cheering from her wheelchair, and the outpouring of concern for Ka' ua's health.

We're all just a lot of happy people playing with our dogs, and having them jump into a pool of water. Happy people and happy dogs, all playing together. Life could be a lot worse!

Sassy Girl

03-28-2007, 08:47 PM

I love the following that SD has, Tony and his crew have made SD events a pleasure to be at. Personally I don't think anyone is in it for the money, I think going down that road is not necessary. I really think it is an innocent question that has come up in conversations over the past year at events being brought to the forefront. Even after losing almost all of my belongings in a fire I still made the trip down to San Diego and San Mateo just to be with all of you.

all4sadie

03-28-2007, 09:51 PM

I totally will agree (Brooke you couldn't have said it better)....Sadie will never make it get a pay out. But we do not care, we just enjoy the family we have made. We go for the fun. Our dogs have a great time. It gives us time to bond with them and the friends and family around us.

I do not know what it costs for Tony and the rest of the crew to get there but it has to be alot to hold these events....I love Splash Dogs and have a great time and really love my little ribbons that Sadie brings home...I display them proudly.....

We will be in Costa Mesa and are pushing towards Scottsdale (keeping my fingers crossed we can get there)

See everyone soon,
Cindy & Sadie

runamuck

03-29-2007, 11:58 AM

Hey everyone,

On the subject of rewards....

Your thoughts on the idea of Splash Dogs medals :?:

Your thoughts on the idea of dog toys as rewards :?:

Anyone have any other ideas :?: :?: :?:

The discussion has been brought to the masses, so lets keep it going and hear your ideas :D

Sassy Girl

03-29-2007, 01:11 PM

Hey all,

Here are some suggestions on prizes....Most of these could come from sponsors if you get the right one. Looking for that edge for Tony, get in w/product and could lead to larger relationship.

1. Bumpers - Katies Bumpers
2. Shammy's - The Cool N Dry Pet Shammy is a good one
3. Leashes/Collars - waterproof or any others
4. Water toys, any toys, could do baskets of a couple of toys. Many bulk dog toy sellers out there
5. Splash Dog T-shirts, sweatshirts, apparel
6. Dog food/or Treats (hit up any of the dog food companies or great treat makers

If you wanted to, you could do a basket of a couple of things for 1st place winners in each division and go smaller baskets for 2nd, 3rd and 4th, then go down to ribbons for lower placements.

These are just some thoughts off the top of my head.

Chase

03-29-2007, 01:48 PM

Lisa:

I think that is a fabulous idea!

I think that a specially designed Slashdogs Medals would be very cool. I just found a place that could make them custom with the Splashdogs logo and Splashdogs colors for about $ 2.00 each, including the ribbon.

And, what dog does not love getting a new toy? You can get a variety of toys and stuffed animals online at Jeffers Pet for $ 1.00 to $ 2.00. I buy Chase these stuffed toy footballs on that site that he absolutely adores and they cost less than $ 2.00 each.

Since medals and dog toys would cost considerable less than payouts, it would allow Tony to give medals and toys to not just the top dogs, but rather to every dog who competes in all 4 final divisions and the EV. I think that would amount to about 50 or so dogs. So, at $ 2.00 per toy and $ 2.00 per medal, that would cost about $ 4.00 each for a total of about $ 200.00 for 50 dogs at each event and that should make everyone happy and still hopefully make it financially viable for Tony.

What does everyone think?

Brooke & Chase

Team Chloe

03-29-2007, 02:02 PM

I like the idea of medals....I like DD's medal format. Also like their National Qualifier medals for your division. Along with the Certificate you receive when you attain 5 legs in that division.

Secondly I like the idea of prizes in stead of cash. Some of Urs' items sound great for prizes....

The most important thing is to make a plan, then stick to the plan. It gets confusing if the payouts, prizes, awards keep changing....

W/ DD you know the rules, you know the prizes....

Docker Mom

03-29-2007, 02:04 PM

Hi

Toys can also be found cheaply on the Petedge.com website, some less than $1 a piece if buying a dozen or more. I'd be happy to look into them further, if you want....
Also, medals would be cool with a logo..great idea, Brooke :lol:

Also, I recently bought an embroidery machine and have been wanting to do 'something' with it for Splash dogs so keep me in mind for that also. If I could buy collars bulk, I could embroider Splash Dogs on them for Tony, unless he has a 'place' for that. Or, embroider on a shammy, etc...

Marilyn

renegade

03-29-2007, 03:10 PM

I personally don't have a preference between medals and ribbons...

I love Urs's list - basically any dog products as prizes - toys, bowls, leashes, collars, t-shirts, treats, etc. Gift certificates wouldn't be bad either.

I'm sure some of the companies could be convinced to donate/sponsor and provide some of the products. Otherwise if we order in bulk we can probably get some good deals...

renegade

03-29-2007, 04:24 PM

By the way, I believe Dave mentioned the title certificates - splashdogs will begin issuing title certificates (including past titles earned) in the near future. Just a few last details to work out!

Stanley

03-29-2007, 05:44 PM

Stanley could use a pair of wetsuit booties for dancing in the pool!

BOcephus

03-29-2007, 06:48 PM

The personalised Medals are a excellent idea.
At our last event I put a logo of the event on them
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l7/bigbadbocephus/NW%20AirDogs/medals1.jpg
and then engraved them with their dogs name and place they had gotten uwsing a hand held engraver.
Everyone really liked them.

FlyMe2TheMoon

03-29-2007, 10:45 PM

Stanley also needs a floating table for snacks & a cool drink in case he gets famished and thirsty from all that dancing!

cheers,
Louise
& Naika

runamuck

03-30-2007, 03:15 AM

Bryan, you are so right!

I remember engraving all of the pet info on the medals at the Katrina event and recall the many positive comments on them!

It was a great idea! :)

As was your tennis ball game raffle!!!!!

The best idea yet!!!

(I stole your tennis ball game idea for the San Diego event :)

Hey, for those of you who participated in the tennis ball raffle game in San Diego, did you like it?

Would you play again?

Sardo

03-30-2007, 07:56 AM

The tennis ball game was the funnest raflles I have ever done. That was really a clever idea to involve the dogs and I think everyone enjoyed it.

BOcephus

03-30-2007, 08:24 AM

Yes I remember very well you engraving medals. Not totally due to me not bein able tp cpel.
I was a little afraid of the time the Tennis ball fetch would take. But it went pretty smooth. It did take about 3 weeks for me to go to all those businesses and collect all the prizes. Yep I'll do it again :) I remember the one guy that wanted that G-Loomis Salmon rod. He wanted it bad enough he was offering to buy it out from me to keep it out of the game. When his name was picked and his pup went in the water he was haveing a heart attack when his pup grabbed the ball with the fishing poles number on it. :shock:
Then the great depression hit when his pup decided to let it go and grabbed a different one :cry:
His pup traded a $550.00 Salmon Rod for a $25 Beaches dinner card.
He did eventually end up with it. Don't know what it took but I seen him take it to his car.
I believe I will do the Medals again for this jump on April 21-22. They are a little more spendy but I think everyone likes them better.

Sassy Girl

03-30-2007, 09:19 AM

I loved the tennis ball raffle too!

renegade

03-30-2007, 09:57 AM

Jasper loved the tennis ball game very much! He thought he died and went to heaven! Since we played the game in San Diego I've been contemplating tying about 50 tennis balls together into one toy and using that for him when he jumps.

I'm already planning on stealing the idea to help do fundraising for BADD's new dock/pool in Livermore.

all4sadie

03-30-2007, 09:51 PM

Well personally I love the ribbons and/or medals would be nice. I like to be able to display what Sadie has won.....green, white, yellow, red or blue, we are proud of them all.

As for the tennis ball raffle that was so much fun....would love to do that again.

legallyblonde

03-31-2007, 04:51 AM

I like the idea of doggie prizes or baskets. When I was younger, alot of the fun shows I showed horses at did the same thing, and every time I would use whatever I won, it would remind me of the show and our accomplishments. Plus, I bet the dogs would love it! I would think some of these companies are big enough that giving product is no skin off their back, and could eventually lead to monetary sponsorship for splashdogs to help out Tony. Probably take some legwork, but well worth it.

I also wish Splashdogs would come out east more, and bring the whole Splashdogs family so I could meet more of you! :D Or I need my own sponsor to get me out to Cali. :wink:

MickeyD'sMom

03-31-2007, 07:46 AM

We loved the tennis ball game too! MickeyD was hysterical! We are planning on do that at the Auburn Event. :)

Linda Hettich

04-02-2007, 10:00 AM

Tessa loved that tennis ball game! I think she kept trying to get more than one!

Team Chloe

04-02-2007, 10:11 AM

Chloe has never played this game....but she would try and have at least two if not three TB's in her mouth. She is a little on the greedy side!!

Sound extremely fun!!

legallyblonde

04-02-2007, 11:11 AM

What is the tennis ball game?

MickeyD'sMom

04-02-2007, 11:20 AM

You have 40 prizes and 40 tennis balls. The balls are all numbered 1-40 as are the prizes. So the dog jumps in the pool with all of the balls and comes out with a ball with a number and wins that prize. What's so funny is they will swim around, pick up a ball or two or three, drop it swim around again picking up more balls. Sometimes they come out with 2 or 3 so then it's the first ball they drop. It is so funny to watch. The money that was collected went to the rescue group. It cost $20.00 to jump and no one seemed to mind because it went for a great cause. We are going to do this at our Auburn event. Well there ya go!

BOcephus

04-02-2007, 05:18 PM

The Tennis ball fetch is definately a fun game. The one rule I had to create because of those BIG Mouth pups was, when they get out of the water the FIRST ball to hit the ground is your ball. the others got thrown back in.

ssejrnv

04-03-2007, 07:42 PM

Well I'm a little late posting, as last week when I tried, I kept getting booted off :?. I think splashdogs has already done a great deal to meet everyones needs, from the big jumpers down to the little guys. I love the idea of divisional finals as this way everyone has a chance to shine. As someone who jumps 5 dogs I just love the fact that you get the 2nd dog in a wave at half price. I guess if I had my ultimate wish, we would get special splashdog medals rather than ribbons. Not that ribbons aren't great but the medals do hold up better. I go to quite a few flyball tournaments and you never win money but you almost always win some cool toys for your dogs. I'm sure if the dogs could vote they would vote for toys or something edible :P. I do want to say it was great to see this thread stay in such a positive direction. Glad we could all discuss this freely. I'm sure Tony will keep us posted on the great things he has in store for us as the year moves on.
JJ and crew